Curse

~ Dan ~ · Dec 04, 2007, 08:45 PM // 20:45

Just to confirm i don't need to quote your whole post everytime i want to reply. I quote what's relevant. What i said in reply to the quote was correct, so using another part of your text to backup a counter argument is actually just contradicting yourself.

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Originally Posted by Deaths

If u would read first the other posts, then u would understand what we did mean with greens. U should understand what a metaphor is.

What i meant was.. why should a topic on AB titles turn to farming for greens? Do you see a connection?

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For ur sarcasm u should get also an emote.

Why thank you.

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Some of my PVE chars has 30%. With a bit effort i can push them to 60%. We are talking about "effort" about "alote of work". A r3 hero title doesnt need also alote of work and u have ur E-mote.

You seem to think "effort" and "alot of work" are the same thing. I can make the effort to walk down the stairs. That doesn't make it alot of work.

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Dont take a piece of a whole text. I sad a bit Fear .

You said it as fear of a toucher. So i laughed.

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First of all read this all.

No need to keep saying this, i read your whole post.

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"Killing other Players" is ur definition. With ur definition a real war is also a PvP.

Incase you didn't notice this is a gaming fansite. Not a vietnam news report. By killing other players, i'd be referring to ingame situations.

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Mister genius

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For ur sarcasm u should get also an emote.

It's ok, you can have one too

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Online Pocker is also a Player vs Player. And there ur not killing other players.

Ok i'll re-word. Killing other characters in Guildwars. Sorry for the inconvenience.

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Edite: To gain the 7 Shrines u need to compete (this is a way of PvP) with the enemy Teams.

No not really, you just need to kill shrine NPC's quicker than they do and not stop to pound E/D tanks.

Likelytodie · Dec 04, 2007, 09:54 PM // 21:54

I wouldn't mind it

AuraofMana · Dec 04, 2007, 10:00 PM // 22:00

@Deaths:
I am not even going to waste forum resource to quote your WALLS OF HAX TEXT. Just stop talking. You failed at page 1.

TheHaxor · Dec 04, 2007, 10:03 PM // 22:03

you could just go HA if you really want an emote

this is a bad idea

Deaths · Dec 04, 2007, 10:08 PM // 22:08

U even didnt read the whole think taking again pieces of the text and making ur interpretation. The Green items was just a metaphor to compare it with something else.

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For ur sarcasm u should get also an emote.

This is also a sarcasm and it means u dont derserve a Emote for ur sarcasm.

For the point of "effort".

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Originally Posted by bungusmaximus

Ab titles may be easy to farm, but you need a crap load of points to earn a significant rank, so the amount of effort thet's put in it is not to be underestimated.

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Originally Posted by Deaths

Every Title in GW needs alote of effort.

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

I put alot of work into Canthan Explorer (60%). If you're talking max? Protector is er.. alot of effort? Hmm..

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

You seem to think "effort" and "alot of work" are the same thing. I can make the effort to walk down the stairs. That doesn't make it alot of work.

Ur the one that put effort and alote of work into one pot.

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Originally Posted by Deaths

Ok if i see a lame toucher team then i get a bit of fear and i make my circle running around the shrine to not get touched.

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

You said it as fear of a toucher. So i laughed.

Even High Ranks of the holders of Cavalon and HzH has respekt against a Toucher Team in AB. A toucher in HA GvG or TA is a laughing Build, but not a Toucher Team in AB.

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

Incase you didn't notice this is a gaming fansite. Not a vietnam news report. By killing other players, i'd be referring to ingame situations.

U gived just a definition about pvp that looked like a Vietnam war. U even didnt put it in combination with GW. Ur definition even just for GW is clumsy.

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

No not really, you just need to kill shrine NPC's quicker than they do and not stop to pound E/D tanks.

When did u played the last time AB. E/D tankes lol. Who the hell is still playing E/D tank in AB. In the event i saw on the whole matches i made just 1 E/D tank. I rend and corrupted him with my necro and he was dead in a few secs.
There are also Teams that are trying to defend Shrines that are important
(like the rez Shrine, or the bridge and others).
I think u didnt played a looong time in Ab and now u try to give any comments. Laugh about Toucher team in AB and pound E/D tank. Oo

So u think the Players that Cap faster the shrines and the ones that are holding them is not a Competion. And Competion is not a Part of PvP?? So a F-1 or Nascar race is also not a Competition?? And i would say take a look on this Webside http://www.guildwars.com/competitive/default.php.

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@AuraofMana
Show me good point in failing
@TheHaxor

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Originally Posted by Deaths

If u want an emote one, Play HA. Its not that hard to get r3 in a Double Fame event.

Cammy · Dec 04, 2007, 10:11 PM // 22:11

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

AB is pushing the term PvP.

Quoted for TRUTH

Turbobusa · Dec 04, 2007, 10:24 PM // 22:24

I don't like the "go HA if you want an emote" point. I don't like HA, i don't think it's interesting, you copy someone's build, learn how to run it, you're done, gogo r9. No it's not hard to get to R3, I did my r2 using dual smite and I was clueless, shows how skill is involved.

AB is interesting. Say whatever you want, there is a tactical part in AB. You may not be fighting real players most of the time but how you counter their movements, how you analyse how they play, THIS is the PvP part of AB. You do not hack n slash sure. That's still Player versus player. That may be not the way you play either. If you run around capping shrines randomly, you need to reconsider your tactic.

Now about emotes, that would kill that elitist shit that is getting on kid's heads. But as I said before, kill FFF first (e.g. reward = half, maybe 1/3), Otherwise yes it would just be another PvE grind title.

Gogo flame me cause I said AB=pvp

Ho yeah OT: toucher team is fun to play and can be quite effective, considering that most toucher counters are being considered and dealt with on one of the 4 touchers bringing counters.

Molock · Dec 04, 2007, 11:04 PM // 23:04

Emotes for AB is a really bad idea...

When you consider that 3/4 of ab players use wiki builds (or worse) and are mainly sins played by 13 year old brats emotes quickly become a bad idea.

Turbobusa · Dec 04, 2007, 11:10 PM // 23:10

however how many of those kids continue farming faction points? if you set a high enough rank requirement for the first emote (I assume there would be more than one), They'd get the first one, maybe the second one...kinda same as HA to me.

TheHaxor · Dec 04, 2007, 11:10 PM // 23:10

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Originally Posted by Turbobusa

I don't like the "go HA if you want an emote" point. I don't like HA, i don't think it's interesting, you copy someone's build, learn how to run it, you're done, gogo r9. No it's not hard to get to R3, I did my r2 using dual smite and I was clueless, shows how skill is involved.

AB is interesting. Say whatever you want, there is a tactical part in AB. You may not be fighting real players most of the time but how you counter their movements, how you analyse how they play, THIS is the PvP part of AB. You do not hack n slash sure. That's still Player versus player. That may be not the way you play either. If you run around capping shrines randomly, you need to reconsider your tactic.

Now about emotes, that would kill that elitist shit that is getting on kid's heads. But as I said before, kill FFF first (e.g. reward = half, maybe 1/3), Otherwise yes it would just be another PvE grind title.

Gogo flame me cause I said AB=pvp

Ho yeah OT: toucher team is fun to play and can be quite effective, considering that most toucher counters are being considered and dealt with on one of the 4 touchers bringing counters.

R9 is really that easy? Wow and here I thought that map tactics were important. It would be easy to get R9 if you surrounded by other good players who knew how to play their role effectively, followed directions well, and knew successful map tactics. However, you are basically saying that HA is easy because you got R2 running a brainless build. Last time I checked it takes like 75 fame to get R2, while it takes 4,665 fame to get R9. It is possible to grind fame like that, but it takes forever and isn't worth your time.

If you think AB is interesting, you should like HA. AB is basically a 24-man cap point map. How diverse can the tactics be? At least HA gives you a blend of many types of maps.

P.S. I would know how brainless AB is considering I was in [dth] when they held Cavalon. We won around 9/10 battles we entered, regardless of venue. The tactics were always the same and they were always effective.

Turbobusa · Dec 04, 2007, 11:22 PM // 23:22

No what i meant was more that you can get your R9 just knowing how to run a build you copied. To me it's basically the same as copying a build on wiki.

I must admit that the interesting part of HA is that it forces you to adapt to multiple situations. But you know what to expect from your ennemy. He has the same objectives.
In AB, where noobs are everywhere, you don't know whether you're gonna have to face hard cappers (you know those who say "capcapcapOMG" when they are capping the first shrine they see), narutards...
I start seing similarities in HA and in AB actually. (I see this being quoted soon)

bungusmaximus · Dec 04, 2007, 11:47 PM // 23:47

Hmm no need to completely bash HA, about emotes, that death guy keeps on rambling, but I liked his idea about a special touch for every type of arena. GvG has the capes, HA the emotes, what would be good for TA and the rest? Fun is that most fervent TA players on this forum probably don't give a f*ck about emotes, so I'm probably pleading for a cause noone really cares about :P.

TheHaxor · Dec 05, 2007, 03:22 AM // 03:22

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Originally Posted by Turbobusa

No what i meant was more that you can get your R9 just knowing how to run a build you copied. To me it's basically the same as copying a build on wiki.

You know what happens to teams who copy builds? They lose to teams that are better at it then they are. If you are only farming noobs it is going to take forever for you to gain rank. This is what I meant by the term "grind." Besides, your argument is ridiculous since you can copy builds anywhere you play (this includes AB... you can run TA builds there and destroy people).

I'm guessing you are one of those people who gets angry when they get farmed by someone running a typical shock axe build in RA. Someone running a popular build doesn't mean they just copied it... it could also mean they feel most comfortable running that build.

Turbobusa · Dec 05, 2007, 04:10 AM // 04:10

Yes, that's exactly what I mean. You can copy build anywhere. It's just that I never hear it when we talk about HA. I was just trying to demonstrate that there is no real reason why HA got emotes and other forms of pvp gets "hated" when we talk about having one.

And please stay on topic, and lets not start having this thread going on attacking people personnally, it's too frequent on guru these days. I'm not "on of this persons", and you have no idea what is my pvp history.

bungusmaximus I had the same thought. In fact, AB gets the pve skills in a certain way...

artay · Dec 05, 2007, 05:12 AM // 05:12

Well emotes would encourage more max titles which would cause more UW and FoW time for everyone

(unless they don't count towards that, if so my bad)

I want a turtle luxon emote that shoots

Shadowfox1125 · Dec 05, 2007, 05:53 AM // 05:53

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

Savior doesnt make you good at the game or even AB. I know a handfull of saviors from both kurzicks and luxons. And at least half of them still think mending + HB is a good combo on a war

So what if you're good or bad at the game. This is about an emote, not how good you are at the game. You could have said the same about fame. Remember the IWAY days?

Sakkaku Kaikou · Dec 05, 2007, 06:51 AM // 06:51

Hee hee. Silly touchers.

Anyway, I agree that an emote for Kurzicks and Luxons would be cool; however, I think that some of the other titles should have emotes, like Gladiator or Champion. Also, why limit it to PvP? Some PvE emotes would be nice, too. Especially the ones that don't have any effect in game already (ie, Guardian, Drunkard, etc.).

And as a side note, the term "PvP" suggests Competitive play, as generally in competitive play, you have a player or team of players working against another player or team of players (player(s) vs. player(s)). This is easy to see in HA, RA, TA, or GvG, but if you actually look at AB, you can see that AB is easily PvP, too. No matter how you spin it, in AB, you're still competing against another team of real people to win. Sure, you might kill more NPCs than PCs, but, in the end, you're still working against the other players.

~ Dan ~ · Dec 05, 2007, 10:15 AM // 10:15

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Originally Posted by Deaths

This is also a sarcasm and it means u dont derserve a Emote for ur sarcasm.

Ah ok, that's a shame then

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Ur the one that put effort and alote of work into one pot.

Wrong. But it would be pointless explaining why because even with the exact backup quotes in your face, you fail to see them.

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Even High Ranks of the holders of Cavalon and HzH has respekt against a Toucher Team in AB. A toucher in HA GvG or TA is a laughing Build, but not a Toucher Team in AB.

You talk like savior's from the Cavalon/HzH alliance mean anything. Sorry to break it to you. They don't. A faction title shows no skill. FFF shows no skill.

Respect for touchers? Thanks for giving me a good laugh again

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gived just a definition about pvp that looked like a Vietnam war. U even didnt put it in combination with GW. Ur definition even just for GW is clumsy.

For someone who cries throughout half his reply "OMG LIEK STOP QUOTING BITS OF MA TXT" you're quite a hypocrite. Look like.. 2 lines down, you will see my reworded definition of PvP in GW. Thank you very much.

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E/D tankes lol. Who the hell is still playing E/D tank in AB.

Retards. And there will always be retards in AB. Always.

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There are also Teams that are trying to defend Shrines that are important
(like the rez Shrine, or the bridge and others).

I know. I said that one of the two occasions you PvP is to hold a shrine. But that doesn't happen enough for me to see the format as PvP.

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I think u didnt played a looong time in Ab and now u try to give any comments.

I think you're wrong. I play alot of AB.

<- Defender of Kurzicks (7). So i have uber skillz in PvP now amiright?

Evil Genius · Dec 05, 2007, 10:41 AM // 10:41

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

A big turtle emote for Luxon and a big Juggernaut for Kurziks.

/signed. Many of the players concerns are unnecessary. Stop thinking the sky is going to fall in because "retards" or "noobs" from AB, or god forbid fffers, get a emote.

Look at many of the easily grind-able EotN titles. (I know they're PvE). You get consumables, weapons, armor, skills, and bonuses while in that people's land. I don't think having emotes (and the current 1 skill for each profession) for Kurzick and Luxon is too much.

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Originally Posted by Molock

Emotes for AB is a really bad idea...

When you consider that 3/4 of ab players use wiki builds (or worse) and are mainly sins played by 13 year old brats emotes quickly become a bad idea.

Does it really matter they use wiki builds? I don't think the point here is whether AB is pve or pvp, or how skilled the players are. The point is rewarding players with emote, because, it makes (some) people feel special.

I also am open for emotes for other titles.

And no, telling people to go HA is stupid.

TheHaxor · Dec 05, 2007, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by Turbobusa

Yes, that's exactly what I mean. You can copy build anywhere. It's just that I never hear it when we talk about HA. I was just trying to demonstrate that there is no real reason why HA got emotes and other forms of pvp gets "hated" when we talk about having one.

And please stay on topic, and lets not start having this thread going on attacking people personnally, it's too frequent on guru these days. I'm not "on of this persons", and you have no idea what is my pvp history.

bungusmaximus I had the same thought. In fact, AB gets the pve skills in a certain way...

Then stop QQing. HA existed before AB, which is why it gets its own unique bonuses. AB gets perks that HA doesn't. I don't see rank giving you PvE skills... I can't trade in my balth faction for rare crafting materials... it doesn't give me access to any elite dungeons... it is also a tougher place to be successful at.

As I stated before, it is a bad idea to give everything emotes. It would cheapen them. It is a unique part of the game that can only be obtained by doing a certain part of the game. If you don't want to play that part of the game, then you should miss out on the bonuses.